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The Musgrave Migration from Leitrim to Cork

THE MUSGRAVE MIGRATION FROM LEITRIM TO CORK

A Report by Turtle Bunbury (2012)
It was my ambition with this study to trace the Musgrave family of Derrinasoo (and by extension of Cork) back to the 18th century. The earliest forebear I’ve found is William Musgrave (1817-1876). Alas, concrete evidence still eludes me although there are many strange connections, which surely more than mere coincidences, that link the various Musgrave, Mosgrave and Musgrove families of Scotland, Northern Ireland, London, Limerick, Sligo and Roscommon, not to mention the Canadian branches. I place my mambling findings on-line in the hope that there is something here that triggers a thought in the mind of someone out there that in turn unlocks the vital clue. This report was first published online on 11 July 2012 and has been sporadically updated ever since.

THOMAS MUSGRAVE

The prevailing theory is that the Musgraves were in Limerick during the early 19th century (having perhaps come direct from London or Ulster) and that, after some time in Sligo and Leitrim/Roscommon, they returned down the Shannon to Limerick City in the 1870s and then made their way east to Cork. As Stephen Musgrave observed in an email of October 2017, Musgrave is also an English West March name and, as such, they could have come over to Ireland at the time of the Plantation, when the English/Scottish borders were cleared of Reivers after the Act of Union. John P. Prendergast’s The Cromwellian Settlement of Ireland lists two Musgraves – William and Philip, possibly brothers, possibly from Somerset – as being £20 settlers in the Barony of Iffa and Offa in south Tipperary in 1652. Most adventurers paid much more so they appear to have been of modest means.

Liam Lowe also suppllied these useful comments in November 2019:

“Methodism had taken firm root in this [Derranasoo] area primarily because of Angel Anna Slack who financed the build of the Methodist chapel in Drumshanbo. The Queale, Crawford, Laird and Musgrove families [who arrived down from Ulster to Leitrim circa 1630 in the plantation of Brian Og’s land] embraced this revival with gusto and inter-married with similar aplomb.”

William’s father is believed to have been Thomas Musgrave but we know no more of him. By an unnamed spouse, Thomas had four sons – Andrew, Robert, James (1811-1891) and, of direct relevance to this report, William Musgrave (1817-1876).

There are also suggestions that Thomas had a son Richard (who would also marry Anne Crawford), possibly by an earlier marriage, although ‘Richard’ may simply be a was the middle name of Andrew or Robert, or that Richard was Thomas’s nephew.

The Registers for St. Paul’s, Covent Gardens, include these 2 baptism entries[i]:

· 29 August 1787: Ann Maria, Daughter of Thomas Musgrove by Elizabeth his Wife

· 26 November 1790: Richard, Son of Thomas Musgrove by Elizabeth his Wife

This allows the possibility that Thomas Musgrove was originally from London but later moved to Limerick.

In any event, most clues suggest that Thomas had a connection to Limerick. The only baptism record for a Thomas Musgrove in Co. Limerick is dated 1758. Either this is our Thomas, or Thomas was not born in Ireland, or there is simply no birth/baptism record for him but he was born in Ireland.

There are three Thomas Musgraves buried in Co. Limerick – in 1777, 1842 and 1858.

There is also a record of a Thomas Musgrave who was married in Co. Limerick in 1818.

If the Thomas born in 1758 was our man, he would have been 60 when he married in 59 when William was born. This also suggests that some of his children, including William, were born outside wedlock but this was by no means uncommon.

Unfortunately we have not yet been able to conclusively work out where Thomas came from, but there are suggestions that his roots were in London and possibly Midlothian, Scotland, before that. Read onwards.

In October 2017, Stephen Musgrave informed me that his grandfather (a son of James Musgrave of Derranasoo) wrote a letter to one of his relations from the William Musgrave line, stating that an Andrew Musgrave came to Derranasoo in 1783 (or, as he puts it, 15 years before 1798) from Carrick, Co. Donegal via Fermanagh. Derreenasoo is in Tumna parish in Co. Roscommon. However, Liam Lowe advised me in November 2019 that “as that part of Co. Roscommon abuts the Leitrim county border, it falls under Drumshanbo and not Boyle PLU, and hence the centre of orbit for the good people of Derreenasoo was Drumshanbo, across the River Shannon in County Leitrim, which was just 6 kms away.”

Stephen Musgrave also stated that Andrew Musgrave married twice, once to a Susan Atkinson from Ballinamallard, Co. Fermanagh and once to a Sligo woman called Logan (no first name known). Stephen’s grandfather also stated that he is descended from Susan Atkinson, the James line and that the marriage of Andrew and Logan gave rise to the William line. This has not yet been verified. There is a family of Musgraves in Co. Tyrone just across from Fermanagh with many first names the same as the Musgraves from Derranasoo.

Could he be connected to Andrew Mosgrove (1768-1804), brother of John Musgrave, who married Jane Brown Mosgrove and was father of John, Adams, Margaret, Elizabeth and at least two other Musgraves? Ancestry has a few entries for an Andrew Mosgrove who was born in Midlothian in 1763 (other entries say 1663, some say 1768) and died in Co. Tyrone. Most of these sources state that Andrew’s parents were Robert and Ann Mosgrove (or de Mosgrove). One proposes that they were George Mosgrove and Margaret Charles.

ROBERT MOSGROVE OF ROSCOMMON & OTTAWA

Robert Mosgrove was born in Co. Leitrim or Roscommon on Dec. 25, 1801, and moved to Canda in 1822. He may have been the son of Robert Henry Mosgrove (or Musgrave?), who was baptized at St. Paul’s, Covent Gardens, London, in the 1760s. Robert Henry was the son of Andrew and Elizabeth Mosgrove. [iv]

He was one of the very first settlers in Ottawa. Robert married Alice Bourne from County Mayo (nee 4th June 1812) and died in Ottawa on Sept 25 1882. He is buried in what is now a large family plot at Beechwood Cemetery, Ottawa. An obituary to Robert Mosgrove, tanner, appeared in the Ottawa Citizen – Apr 29, 1933 – and gave his place of birth as County Leitrim.[v]

As stated earlier, the reason why the death cert and obit for Robert has his place of birth as Leitrim, yet the Beechwood cemetery register states Roscommon is becauuse both are correct. The Derreenasoo part of Co. Roscommon falls under the PLU of Drumshanbo, across the River Shannon in County Leitrim, ‘… folk in that part of Roscommon ignored county borders to embrace their hinterland across the Shannon county border.’

Robert and Alice’s children were Caroline Amelia, Maryanne Victoria, William (who became a famous Judge and owned a large vineyard) and Alice G. Judge William Mosgrove and his wife Harriet (nee Moore) had four sons – Guy Mosgrove, Robert St. Patrick Mosgrove, Edgar Whiteside Mosgrove, and William Gerald Moore Mosgrove.

It is notable that Robert Mosgrove named his only son William, and that the name was repeated again in the next generation.

THE BARTON CONNECTION

The centre of the Barton estate was at Waterfoot near Pettigo in county Donegal. Through marriages with the Johnston family of Kinlough and the Montgomery family of Belhavel they held lands in the barony of Rosclogher, county Leitrim.

At the time of the first Ordnance Survey, the Roscommon estate was the property of Hugh Barton of Dublin and the agent was Peyton of Knockvicar. This was the Cootehall estate, purchased in the earlier nineteenth century by the Bartons. Hugh Barton was a member of the Grand Panel of county Roscommon in 1828. The Bartons appear to have sold their Roscommon acreage by the 1870s.

In the 1850s Thomas Johnston Barton was one of the principal lessors in the parish of Tumna in County Roscommon from whom the Musgraves rented their land. He also held land in the parish of Ogulla, barony of Roscommon.

In 1876 the Barton estate in Leitrim amounted to over 1200 acres. The Ellis family acted as agents for the Bartons on their estates at Kinlough. Members of the Barton family also leased Mount Prospect house from the Connolly estate. See http://homepage.eircom.net/~fmasters/landlords.html#Wardhouse

Thomas Johnston Barton was born in Sept 1802. On 25th March 1830, shortly before his fathers’ purchase of Straffan, Thomas married Frances, daughter of Edward Morris, Master in Chancery, and granddaughter of Thomas, 1st Lord Erskine, the eloquent Scots barrister who famously defended Tom Paine’s “Rights of Man” in 1792. In the late 1830s, Thomas and Frances Barton purchased the Glendalough (or Drummin) estate at Annamoe, County Wicklow. In 1838, Thomas Barton converted this into a Tudor-Gothic mansion. There seems to be some uncertainty as to the identity of the architect. Mark Bence-Jones suggests John B. Keane but others hold it to have been the work of Daniel Robertson. It certainly looked like a Robertson, being particularly reminiscent of Lisnavagh House in County Carlow, built for the Bunbury family in the 1840s.

Thomas and Frances raised four sons and four daughters at Glendalough. Thomas served as a Justice of the Peace and Deputy Lieutenant for Co. Wicklow. He died on 4th December 1864 and was succeeded by his eldest son, Thomas, a bachelor in his 30s. Thomas Barton II died unmarried in 1874 and was succeeded by his younger brother Charles who married Agnes Alexandra Childers. Charles’s son Robert Barton was a signatory of the Anglo-Irish Treaty in 1921 while his nephew Erskine Childers was executed for his his involvement with the anti-Treaty sdie during the Irish Civil War. Another of Thomas and France’s sons, Hugh Barton, served with the 7th Foot but died in 1880 at the age of 46, while the youngest brother Robert Johnston Barton became one of the heroes of the Zulu War of 1879 when he died “in the attempt to save the life of a wounded brother officer” at Hlobane Mountain in South Africa.

The fact that the Musgraves farmed land on Leitrim which was owned by the Barton family is relevant. There are also occasions where the Barton name is used alongside that of Musgrave.

As such, an exploration of relevant Barton family connections was undertaken, with a specific focus on the Rev. John Barton of Cripplegate, London.

There are 11 Barton entries in the St. Paul’s Register at Covent Garden (where the early Musgraves were recorded in 1765) but it is unclear if they are connected or not. There’s no obvious match up to any of the Bartons in Burke’s LGI (1912) or to the Musgrove Riggs Barton family.

6 May 1765 William, Son of William Barton by Elizabeth his Wife.

6 March 1768 Thomas, Son of William Barton by Elizabeth his Wife

4 March 1770 John, Son of William Barton by Elizabeth his Wife

20 March 1783 Ann, Daughter of William Barton by Ann his Wife

13 Jan 1788 Ocnr-e [?], Son of William Barton by Amelia his Wife

4 May 1789 Elizabeth, Dau. of William Barton by Amey his Wife

27 Nov 1791 Margaret, Dau. of William Barton by Amelia his Wife

7 Sept 1794 Baptism of Hannah, Daughter of William Barton by

Amelia his Wife, Born August 11 1791

20 November 1808 Anna Barton, Daughter of Robert and .iVima [sic?]

20 April 1809 John, Son of George, and Harriet Barton Born 25 Jan 1800[?]

17 May 1817 John, Son of George & Harriot Barton, Maiden Lane, Bootmaker.

(Also entries under George and Harriet Burton)

And potentially Sam Johnstone (not Johnston).

JOHNSTON FAMILIES

As the Bartons were intermarried with the Johnston family who also had land where the Musgraves farmed, we explored various branches of the Johnston family in Burke’s 1912 – particularly Johnston of Kinlough House and Townry Corry, Drumshambo, but nothing of immediate note was revealed.

RICHARD MUSGRAVE & ANNE CRAWFORD

Roots Ireland confirmed that Richard Musgrave and Anne Crawford (1819-1890) were married in the Ardcarne Church of Ireland, Co. Roscommon, on 14th April 1836 but there were no further details about their families. Richard was born in about 1790 and Anne in 1819; she was the daughter of Thomas Crawford and Ann Whaley. (Trevor Crawford Tree, 2018). A potted history of the church can be found here: Ardcarne. At least this road has been checked, although it would clearly be best to see the original record as it may have been transcribed poorly.

Church Marriage Record
Date of Marriage: 14-Apr-1836
Parish / District: ARDCARNE CHURCH OF IRELAND, Co. Roscommon
Husband: Richard Musgrove
Wife: Anne Crawford
Address: Tumna
Denomination: Church of Ireland
For every other category, the answer was: Not Recorded.

There is a Richard Musgrave mentioned a couple of times in the Freemans Journal from 1800-1845. There are no Richard Musgraves in Griffiths Valuation for Roscommon – only some records in Waterford – suggesting he died before Anne got together with William around 1849. Anne might not have married William, even if divorce was possible around 1840 for Church of Ireland.

WHO WAS RICHARD?

The St. Paul’s Registers include these 2 entries[vi]:

· 29 August 1787: Ann Maria, Daughter of Thomas Musgrove by Elizabeth his Wife

· 26 November 1790: Richard, Son of Thomas Musgrove by Elizabeth his Wife

Could this be the same Richard Musgrove who married Anne Crawford in 1836?

If he was born in 1790, this would make Richard 46 years old at the time of his marriage to Anne Crawford. He would also have been about 27 years older than William Musgrove who later married his widow. William is traditionally said to have been Richard’s brother, but this opens up the possibility that they were half or step-brothers, or cousins? Richard may well have been a son of Thomas Musgrave’s brother.

Could Thomas have moved to Limerick from London by the time the four sons were born? Could he have married secondly – a Barton perhaps?! – and was William perhaps Richard’s younger half-brother?

ANNE CRAWFORD

In terms of baptism dates, the contenders for this lady are:

Anne Crawford 1816 Co. Down

Anne Crawford 1816 Co. Monaghan

Anne Crawford 1818 Co. Down

Ann Crawford 1820 Co. Derry

Anna Crawford 1820 Co. Limerick

Anne Crawford 1820 Co. Mayo

Anne Crawford 1820 Co. Tipperary

Anne Crawford 1821 Co. Donegal

Ann Crawford 1824 Co. Longford

Anne Crawford 1824 Co. Antrim

JAMES MOSGROVE (1811-1891)

James Mosgrove (1811-1891) was a son of Thomas Musgrave and a brother of William Musgrave of Derrinasoo. By his wife Elizabeth, he had at least one son, James Musgrave.

Both the Mosgrove and Crawford families were well established in Tumna by 1850, suggesting they had been there for a while. Griffiths only shows the heads of the households (tax-payers) so these were 3 different houses for both families. There were originally 7 homes on a dirt road all occupied by Musgrave or Crawford. James Musgrave’s home was the last of the 7 and is now a large barn.

Derreenasoo Tumna Roscommon in Griffith’s
Catherine Crawford
John Crawford
Thomas Crawford
James Mosgrove
Mary Mosgrove
William Mosgrove

NB: In the Griffith land valuation 1848-61 all the landowners in Derreenasoo are Mosgrove, as are the Ontario family.

WILLIAM MUSGRAVE (1817-1876) OF DERREENASOO

William was born in 1817 and is believed to have been a farmer near Drumshanbo. He is also said to have been a school teacher.

Roscommon was to prove particularly reliant on the potato in the lead up to the Great Famine. The county had 60,000 acres of potatoes in 1844. Within three years, 93.5% of that acreage was gone. And so too had 31% of the county’s population.

Thomas Musgraves of ‘Derinasue’ [sic] are mentioned in the Tithe Applotments of 1830 … a search of the Tumna parish land index at Registry of Deed may well yield more Mosgroves in Derreenasoo in the 1600-1700’s. Indeed Cromwell may even have had them recorded them in the Roscommon Book of Survey and Distribution. These archives have not yet been trawled …

Griffiths Valuation (above) lists three Mosgrove’s at Tumna, namely James, Mary and William. In a record from 1858, William Mosgrove appears to be renting land in the townland of Derreenasoo from Thomas Johnston Barton. It was hitherto thought he owned the land.

Family lore has it that he had a family on both sides of the Shannon. (Bear in mind that both Limerick and the Derreenasoo neighbourhood are on the Shannon).

By his wife Annie Crawford (1819–1890), who had previously been married to Richard, he had nine children, known in their family as the bastard line:

1. Catherine (or Cathleen) Musgrave married a Joshua Crawford from Dereenasoo area who was probably a cousin, and had eleven children; the descendants of these Crawfords live in Cork today.[vii] One of Catherine and Joshua’s sons was Stewart Edward Crawford moved to farm in Lisnaskea Co.Fermanagh, and had 7 children, including George Musgrave Crawford (who moved to Ballymoney Co. Antrim, and had two children including Robert Edward Trevor Crawford, who supplied me with these details in December 2018).

2. Edward Musgrave – did he marry Eliza, see below?

3. James Musgrave (c. 1850-1931) succeeded to the farm at Dereenasoo. In about 1877, he married Kate (Catherine) Auliffe with whom he had seven children. See below with qualifications from October 2017.

4. Richard Musgrave – did he marry Eliza, see below?

5. Thomas Musgrave (b. 1847) who moved to Cork, via Limerick, and married Sarah Jane Laird – see below.

6. William Musgrave (1853 – 1905) who married Annie from Co. Down – see below.

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Top: George and Sarah Ann (McKee) Musgrove with their daughter Elizabeth Victoria and two sons William Wesley and
Robert George Boyd (Roy), taken in 1900, Stonewall Manitoba. Below: George’s dry goods store, old and modern.
(With thanks to Marina Bennett)

7. Dr. George Musgrave (1855-1934), general merchant, who moved to Huron County Ontario, Canada when he was 24 in 1880. He subsequently opened his own dry goods store in Stonewall Manitoba.
According to an undated (but probably 1920s) account of his life in the Stonewall Times, George Musgrove [sic] was born in County Roscommon, Ireland. As a young boy, he apprenticed himself to a general merchant in the nearby town of Drumshabo. After serving this apprenticeship of seven years, he left to follow his work, first in Dublin and later in Cork. For several years he was associated with two of his brothers in establishing what has since become the largest business of its kind in the South of Ireland. In the late seventies he severed his connection with this firm, and came to America where he worked for a short time in the city of New York. From there he came to Toronto, and shortly afterward married Sarah Ann, the eldest daughter of the late Robert McKee. Very shortly after his marriage, he came West to Winnipeg, into which place he arrived by crossing the ice on the Red River from St Boniface in 1881. Here he engaged himself in general merchandising, and following the collapse of the boom, he migrated to Stonewall in 1882 where for a short time he worked with the Canadian Pacific Railway. He very soon identified himself with the late J.B. Rutherford, who has already established a general store. When Mr Rutherford left Stonewall, the firm name which has been J. B. Rutherford & Company, was now changed to that of George Musgrove & Company.
“For well over forty years, George Musgrave was engaged in, and carried on, a general store business in Stonewall, and during the early pioneer days, he stood between the early settlers on one hand and the wholesale business houses on the other, and it can truthfully be said he never refused assistance to to those in need during those early and trying years. He devoted his energy almost entirely to his business affairs, and took a real pride in the town of Stonewall, and the surrounding country, no good work in which was ever undertaken that did not meet with his loyal support.”
“His first wife died in 1903 and in February 1916 he married Miss Eunice Stratton, of Stonewall. For these past few years he has not been engaged in active business, and has lived with his daughter, Mrs H. O. May of Stonewall. He has two sons and one daughter – Dr W. W. Musgrove, physician, who has practiced in Winnipeg since 1907, except during the years when he was over seas with the forces – Dr R G Musgrave, practicing dentistry at The Pas Manitoba, and one daughter, Mrs H. O. May, Stonewall, who is carrying on the business established in Stonewall about the year 1880.”
He appears to have been the only one in his family to move to Canada. By his wife Sarah Ann (nee McKee), he had five children, two of whom died as infants, the others being Elizabeth Victoria, William Wesley and Robert George Boyd (Roy). This date came from Marina Bennett of British Columbia in 2020: her husband Brian is a grandson of Dr George and Sarah Ann Musgrave’s youngest son, Roy Musgrave, a pioneer dentist in The Pas, Manitoba.

8. Stuart Musgrave (b. 1858) – see below.

9. Charlie Musgrave.

1911 CENSUS

Houses in Dereenasoo

(Tumna North, Roscommon)

1 Crawford

2 Crawford

3 Crawford

3 Gaffney

5 Crawford

6 McCabe

7 Musgrove

WILLIAM MOSGROVE, 91st FOOT

There was a William Mosgrove who was born in Eskey, Co. Sligo, in about 1823 and who served in both the 83rd Foot and the 91st Foot before being discharged aged 20 in 1843.

The Chelsea and Royal Kilmainham records state that he became a Chelsea Pensioner that same years so he must have been injured to let him go that young.[viii]

The 91st Foot seem to have been based in South Africa at this time: “In 1842 detachments of the 91st, 27th and Cape Mounted Rifles Regiments, together some artillery, were posted to Colesberg under the command of Colonel Hare. All but two companies under the command of Captain Campbell and a troop of Cape Mounted Riflemen were later withdrawn. In April 1845 this force, reinforced by the 7th Dragoon Guards and another detachment of Cape Riflemen, moved temporarily to Philippolis in the Orange Free State to intervene between belligerents.” It is possible this was the same man.

JAMES MUSGROVE, FARMER, OF DEREENASOO
James Musgrave (c. 1850-1931) succeeded to the farm at Dereenasoo. In about 1877, he married Kate (Catherine) who was about the same age as him. (There is a rumour that she was born in 1891 and thus 40 years younger than him, but the census refutes this). The marriage perhaps took place in the church at Toomna which has now sadly fallen into disuse as the roof has been removed; its once glorious East window has been moved to Riverstown church Co Sligo.

I recieved an email in October 2017 from Stephen Musgrave, the last descendant from House No 7 in Derranasoo with the Musgrave name in Ireland, and a great-grandson of James and Kate, who believes James’s father was also James [as opposed to William, above], married to Elizabeth, headstone in St John’s Drumshambo, so something is awry here!].

1901 Census

Residents of No. 7 Derreenasoo (Tumna North, Roscommon)

James Musgrove – 49 years old – Head of Family – Church of Ireland – Born in Co Roscommon – Farmer.

Kate Musgrove – 47 years old – Wife – Church of Ireland – Born in Co Sligo.

Eliza Anne Musgrove – 16 years old – Daughter – Church of Ireland – Born in Co Sligo – Scholar.

Susan A Musgrove – 13 years old – Daughter – Church of Ireland – Born in Co Sligo – Scholar.

James Musgrove – 11 years old – Son – Church of Ireland – Born in Co Sligo – Scholar.

John Edwd Musgrove – 9 years old – Son – Church of Ireland – Born in Co Sligo – Scholar.

In 1901, James and Kate (nee Auliffe) lived with four of their seven children – their two teenage daughters Eiza Anne and Susan, and two small sons James and John Edward. Like Kate, all four children were said to have been born in Co. Sligo. Everyone could read and write and nobody spoke Irish. There were no specified illnesses. Nor were there any household servants.

1911 Census

Residents of No. 7 Dereenasoo (Tumna North, Roscommon)

James Musgrove – Aged 60 – Head of Family – Church of Ireland – born in Co Roscommon – Farmer.

Kate Musgrove – Aged 60 – Wife – Church of Ireland – Born in Co Sligo.

James Musgrove – Aged 23 – Church of Ireland – Born in Co Sligo – Farmers Son.

John E Musgrove – Aged 20 – Church of Ireland – Born in Co Roscommon – Farmers

According to the 1911 census, James and Kate had been married for 34 years and had 7 children, all of whom were still alive. At the time of the 1911 census, they were living with two of their sons James and John E Musgrove, who were 23 and 20 years old respectively. (It is notable that James was born in Co. Sligo in 1888 while John was apparently born in Co. Roscommon in 1891).

Several of James and Kate’s children migrated to New York and one family moved to Florida in 1949. Several others immigrated to Ontario and Quebec, Canada and Vermont, US.

Kate may have died in 1916. She and James are buried in front of the church in Tumna. A photo of the now ruined church is at http://vaugh.co.uk/images. The stained glass window is now in Riverstown church in Co. Sligo and the pews are reputedly in the local pub.

As mentioned earlier, Stephen Musgrave informed me in October 2017 that his grandfather (a son of James Musgrave of Derranasoo) wrote a letter to one of his relations from the William Musgrave line, stating that an Andrew Musgrave came to Derranasoo in 1783 (or, as he puts it, 15 years before 1798) from Carrick, Co. Donegal via Fermanagh. He also stated that Andrew married twice, once to a Susan Atkinson from Ballinamallard, Co. Fermanagh and once to a Sligo woman called Logan (no first name known). Stephen’s grandfather also stated that he is descended from Susan Atkinson, the James line and that the marriage of Andrew and Logan gave rise to the William line. This has not yet been verified. There is a family of Musgraves in Co. Tyrone just across from Fermanagh with many first names the same as the Musgraves from Derranasoo.

THOMAS MUSGRAVE OF CORK IN 1901 & 1911 CENSUS
Thomas Musgrave was born in Co. Roscommon circa 1847 (aged 64 in 1911) and later moved via Limerick to Cork, along with his brother Stuart. According to Pederson, he worked as a draper before opening up the Cork grocery of Musgrave Bros. Ltd. on North Main Street in 1876.[ix] Pederson also states that he was 7 years younger than Stuart but other sources suggest he was 7 years older. Family lore holds that he made his way to Cork via both the USA and Limerick City.

In about 1873, he married Sarah Jane Laird who was born in Co. Leitrim and whose family lived near Drumshambo. The first of their nine children was Anna Elizabeth Musgrave, born on 5 Nov 1873, baptized at St Munchins, Limerick City. Their [eldest?] son John Laird Musgrave was born in Limerick on 8 May 1875 and became a director of the company by 1907.

When Thomas came to Cork in about 1875/76 and started the company with his brother Stuart, there are no family records of where he lived save the census address. As well as Stuart, the other board members of Musgraves were P.R. Robinson of Belmont, Palmerston Road, Dublin; and Philip R Toppin of Limerick.[x] The company was based at 84 Grand Parade, Cork. By 1913, Robinson had been replaced by Thomas Earls, Laurel Bank, Montenotie, Cork.

Thomas was also managing director of the Southern Metropole Hotels Company with offices at 12 King Street, Cork. SJ Merrick of Youghal was chairman while the other four board members were Stuart Musgrave; P.R. Robinson of Belmont, Palmerston Road, Dublin; J.J. Stafford of Huncote, Malone Park, Belfast; and R.G. Parkhill of Douglas House, Douglas, Co. Cork.[xi] By 1913, Stafford had gone and the board now included Thomas Earls and W. P. Musgrave (secretary) of Chipleu villas, Blackrock road, Cork.[xii]

In 1891, Guy’s Cork Almanac stated that Thomas was living on Blackrock Road. By the time of the Cork Almanac of 1907, he was at Fernhurst Villas, College Road, Cork.

1901 Census – Residents of No. 185 in Knockrea (Blackrock, Cork)

Thomas Musgrove – aged 54 – Head of Family – Methodist – born in Co Roscommon – Grocer.

Sarah J Musgrove – 52 – Wife – Methodist – Born in Co Leitrim.

John Laird Musgrove – 25 – Son – Methodist – Born in City of Limerick – Grocer.

Sara Louise Musgrove – 21 – Daughter – Methodist – City Cork.

Lelloy Florence Musgrove – 14 – Daughter – Methodist – City of Cork – Scholar.

Arthur S G Musgrove – 10 – Son – Methodist – City of Cork – Scholar.

Maggie Scannell – 21 – Servant – Catholic – City of Cork – Genl Servant Domestic.

They could all read and write, nobody spoke Irish and there were no specified illnesses. Nobody was married apart from Thomas and Sarah Jane.

1911 Census – Residents of No. 18 Gurteenaspig, (Rural) (Bishopstown, Cork)

Thomas Musgrove – aged 64 – Methodist – born in Co Roscommon – Merchant Grocer

Sarah Jane Musgrove – 63 – Methodist – Co Leitrim.

Ernest William Young – 31 – Methodist – Co Sligo – Methodist Minister.

Sara Louise Young – 31 – Methodist – Cork City.

Mary Barry – 34 – Roman Catholic – Co Cork – General Domestic Servant

At the time of the 1911 census, Thomas and Sarah Jane were Methodists celebrating their 38th year of marriage and all nine of their children were still alive. They were living at Gurteensaspig in Bishopstown, Co. Cork, with their daughter Sara Louise and her husband Ernest William Young, a Co. Sligo-born Methodist minister, as well as Mary Barry, a 34-year-old Roman Catholic servant. The Youngs were both 31 and had married the previous year. They had a child but the baby was not listed or named on this form.

Following Thomas Musgrove’s death in 1914, it is not yet known where Sarah Jane lived. She may have gone to live with her eldest son John in Hayfield House on Perrott Avenue near the College Road. Thomas Musgrave was born in about 1852 and his son John took over the management of the company in 1904 which suggests he wasn’t a well man. As such, Mary Barry may have been a very important person in that household. In 2020 I was contacted by Mary’s great-nephew Barry O’Mahony who found her obituary in the Cork Examiner 17th Nov 1967 which stated that she died “at her residence Knockrea Lodge, Douglas Rd, Cork.’

WILLIAM MUSGROVE, FARMER, OF DERREENASOO

1901 Census – Residents of No. 5, Derreenasoo (Tumna North, Roscommon)

William Musgrove – aged 47 – Head of Family – Church of Ireland – born in Co Roscommon – Farmer.

Annie E Musgrove – 38 – Wife – Church of Ireland – Co Down.

Victor L Musgrove – 1 – Son – Church of Ireland – Co Roscommon.

William Musgrove was born circa 1854 and was a farmer at Derreenasoo. In about 1892, he married Annie Eliza (maiden name unknown but possibly Truesdale or Johnston) from Co. Down. They would have four children together – Florence (b. 1896), Victor Lubin (b. 1901), William Vincent (b. 1902) and Wilfred Clomer (b. 1905).

At the time of the 1901 census, the Musgroves were living with baby Victor. They could both read and write, spoke no Irish and had no specified illness. Their five-year-old Co. Roscommon-born daughter Florence was visiting her grandparents Robert and Mary Truesdale, a farming couple in their early 60s, at near Ballyward, Co. Down. The Truesdales lived with their 24-year-old son William and two daughters, Maggie and Mary, both in their late 20s.

William died in 1905, after thirteen years of marriage, and about the time of the birth of his third son Wilfred. Florence, Victor and William were nine, five and four years old.

At the time of the 1911 census, Florence and Victor were staying with the Johnston family, farmers, in No. 42 Ardbrin (Annaclone), Co. Down. The Johnstons could, of course, be relations on their mother’s side, or only friends.

Meanwhile, the widowed Annie Musgrove was staying in Ballyward with William and Wilfred, as well as two spinsters Margaret Truesdale and Annie Jane Coulter, both dressmakers. Everyone in the house could read and write.

1911 Census – Residents of No. 44 Ballyward (Ballyward, Down)

Annie Eliza Musgrove – 46 – Head of Family – Church of Ireland – Co Down.

William Vincent Musgrove – 9 – Son – Church of Ireland – Co Roscommon – Scholar.

Wilfred Clomer Musgrove – 6 – Son – Church of Ireland – Co Roscommon – Scholar.

Margaret Truesdale – 41 – Boarder – Church of Ireland – Co Down – Dressmaker.

Annie Jane Coulter – 23 – Boarder – Church of Ireland – Co Fermanagh – Dressmaker.

DR. GEORGE MUSGROVE (1855-1934) OF CANADA

According to research by Dr. Gordon Goldsborough, Journal Editor & Secretary of the Manitoba Historical Society, Dr. George